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[edit] Arnack
Hey man-- Very intresting stuff, I have had the same feeling for a while. Anyways, I was wondering if you are the founder of this "concept". If so, you have a brilliant mind... I would like to help if I get some time with articles of the sort.
I am a co-owner of a large networking company, which specialize in web hosting, technical support, and that stuff. We seem to be alike in that sort of way. I know languages such as PHP, HTML, CSS, MYSQL, also, learning something a bit harder: C++. Anyways, give me a reply! -Arnack
I'm only the founder of this wiki, the 'concept' of Simulation is as old as the philosopher Plato. Films like The Matrix put this in a modern perspective and also The Simulation Argument heavily inspired the contents of this wiki. --Ivo 09:20, 26 November 2006 (CET)
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Have you ever considered a message board or community forums for yout wiki? I'm not sure the traffic you are getting from this site, but I think a community talk area would do us quite good. Oh, and I am quite new to wikis, so, if I add a page, it might contain some error or the other. --Arnack 16:29, 26 November 2006 (CET)
That is perfectly fine; someone else will come along and correct it. That's the power of wiki's :-) When traffic and demand warrants a forum, I'll open a forum but for now the wiki will be sufficient I think. --Ivo 22:36, 26 November 2006 (CET)
Okay, well, if you need anymore help on a certain article, I would be glad to help. Ah, well, back to my Wii ^^ --Arnack 23:56, 26 November 2006 (CET)
[edit] First Off
First off, I want to say I am the “real” Big Boss. The message wasn’t posted by me. “Big Boss” nickname is the one I use for my local computer store forum. www.ncix.com
Recently, I have been the target of cyber bullying. And your site happens to be introduced to our forum by one of the forum member just now. So I speculate that particular “nasty” message was the handy-work of some coward bully.
I want to apologize beforehand for any inconvenience caused in this matter. Persuant to various Internet laws in the UK and Canada, please save of a copy of the message log, IP address, e-mail address of the alleged offender, pending potential a criminal investigation.
This is my country’s police department: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/
[edit] Bart
Hello
Recently I stumbled across the Simulation Argument. The first notion that life could be simulated occurred to me some twenty years ago, but I never gave much thought to it.
Recently I developed some ideas of my own that I would like to address. In particular I would like to elaborate on the fact that this simulation should have Einstein's theory of Relativity embedded, and the possible difficulties that this could present.
In the wanted pages section I did not find a section about Relativity .I would like to see it, so I can put in my ideas.
I'm a Dutch HTS graduate, studied Electrotechnology and made extensive studies of vector calculus and the theory of the Electromagnetic Field, interested in relativity and quantum mechanics. I am also active in webdesign and programming, using php, C++ and Visual Basic. -- Bart
- Hey Bart, that is a nice subject. The Wanted pages only list pages that are linked to somewher, but not yet filled in. If you want to add a new subject such as Relativity, feel free to add it to the relevant pages. The one on Science would be a great start. --Ivo 19:59, 7 December 2006 (CET)
[edit] Greetings from Manik
Glad I found this page. This is a topic I've been wrestling with for a good few years now, ever since I read an old crusty sci-fi book about it, the name of which escapes me at present(I lost everything in a fire a few months ago) and has certainly been fueled by movies such as Matrix and Dark City , and in no small little way by watching my daughter play Sims.
There is one aspect i'd like to add, discuss, and that is astrology. Now I'm no astrologer, but it appears to me that here is a wealth of observed information, that is being applied, albiet clumsily, and yet seems to have some relevence.
If one was to create a sim-world with multiple characters, all apparently, with their own personality traits etc a possible short-cut, to get around actualy composing each and every personality would perhaps have certain characteristics linked to a specific event - very much like the way an animation is activated by such in say a Flash graphic.
If a certian number of objects were created as constants, each on a predetermined, circular path, in our case planets etc, each 'sim' could be programmed to react a certain way at a particular position of a planet. With each planet having a set orbit, in position and time, any number of reactions could be generated at any one time, each seemingly random and spontanious.
Astrologers have noticed that these events are not completely random and appear to occur at certain times, when certain celestial objects are in certain positions and apply their knowledge accordingly - but almost like looking down the wrong end of the telescope at it, it's not the actual celestial body having an effect on us, but that it's a trigger.
Of course, this would have no effect on events as such, but on the behaviourial aspects of the simulations in creating/solving these events.
Way off line theory, or what??
- Interesting thought! It would be great if you would write an article about this on the Science page. Thanks in any case for your message! --Ivo 13:43, 26 December 2006 (CET)
[edit] Tony Fleet
I too am glad I found this site. I am looking over the next few months to put together an article for publication on the idea of the real world as simulation. If this happens (i.e if I actually find the time amongst all the stuff I have to deal with on a day to day basis), it would initially take the form of a detailed review on the material that inspired Nick Bostrom's original article, as well as the material that has been written since. I am most interested in pursuing the hypothesis that if 'real life' is a simulation, then what would it be a simulation of, what would it be for, and who (if anybody - or anything) could be controlling it, and what sort of computational power would be required to host it. This I believe may lead to some interesting avenues of enquiry, and some 'testable' hypotheses.
One interesting consequence of the assumption that life IS a simulation is that intelligence is demonstrably not just part of the software design, but also needs to arise from the programming itself. This means that the designers would have the technical capability of building intelligence into the 'operating system'. A simulation in which intelligent beings live in an environment controlled and managed by an intelligent operating system... now there's a thought. Now where have I heard that before?
I look forward to posting stuff and hearing comments, especially on the consequences and implications of the hypothesis.
- Interesting ideas; I think the best place on the wiki for this material would be in the Essays section where you can write about your subject and not be restricted to a particular topic. --Ivo 17:54, 1 February 2007 (CET)
[edit] Maughaum
Nice idea for a wiki page. Hopefully, the simulators will notice and flow some cash your way. I've added an essay that I'm still working on. Maughaum
[edit] TonyFleet
Bit of advice really Ivo please. You may have noticed that my user page is becoming rather full, and I am not sure what to do with this material. I have put up one section as an essay, and a couple of other subsections have been inserted in other pages. The whole thing, when finished (may take another few weeks) will be a detailed critique of the simulism notion, and attempts to use Bostrom's Argument to show that actually we are probably not living in a simulation. This will clearly need a lot of work to tighten up the arguments, but if you read the conclusion, you will see where it's heading. What do you suggest?
- I would suggest to either make this into an essay (multiple pages perhaps), and it would be a good idea to link from it from several pages that are most relevant to the topic. The real art now is to make it structured in such a way that it becomes a solid article. --Ivo 20:54, 22 February 2007 (CET)
[edit] Referencing
Ivo, the <ref>reference</ref> tags don't seem to work. Have you got them enabled? If not, is is possible to enable them? --TonyFleet 17:39, 4 March 2007 (CET)
- I didn't know it is a feature that can be turned off :) I'll have a look and see if I can enable it. Dit you use the {reflist} tag? --Ivo 23:05, 5 March 2007 (CET)
[edit] Fabric of Reality
I spent quite a long time over the Easter Vac reading & re-reading the Deutsch book Fabric of Reality. It has more than a little to do with simulation, and I was aiming to contribute a major piece to this. However your latest addition - What The Bleep Do We Know, seems to cut across this in a big way. I am very interested in Deutsch's idea that we are already rendering a type of simulated reality in our minds, and my latest stuff (in my sandbox) is an attempt to explore that, and what we would need to apply this to a computer based version. I think it has some interesting consequences - for example, a "passive" simulation would not appear to work.
I will try to reshape the sandbox stuff as an essay.--TonyFleet 11:52, 20 May 2007 (CEST)
- If you have read Fabric of Reality, perhaps you can also complement the The Fabric of Reality page in the book section? --Ivo 18:04, 20 May 2007 (CEST)
- Will do. I have made some substantial notes on this.--TonyFleet 21:00, 20 May 2007 (CEST)
[edit] Arghhhh!!!
Hi Ivo
This attack is probably going to take you a while to sort out. Do you need any help? I think my articles have been targetted mainly because I have been posting the most recently. I am going to take copies of my recent articles as a backup. I really wonder at the mentality of it all. Why don't they go and apply their skills usefully somewhere else, like for example Conservapedia?
I can't see any simple 'undo revision' buttons on the history tab. My guess is that you can do this easier than I, and you need to see whether or not any actual changes to text have been made, or whether this is all moving stuff around.
I have restored (I think) my user page, my talk page and the sandbox (although I was going to delete this), and I now think I have removed any unwanted text. I have also restored the Simulation home page and the talk:Simulation pages, as I did not want visitors to the site being confused by messages from vandals.
Hope you can sort the rest out.
Cheers
Tony
--TonyFleet 07:58, 22 May 2007 (CEST)
- AARG indeed :-( :-( Been away for a few days and they ruin the site. Especially the moves are annoying. I blocked the user and I'm going to revert stuff now. Regarding 'undo revision': just click in the history on the revision you want to revert to, then click 'edit' and then save. It'll save that revision as the current version. --Ivo 18:21, 25 May 2007 (CEST)
[edit] Current Spam Attacks
Hi Ivo I noticed you had reverted the previous spam from earlier, but there was another wave. I have blocked all the users, and reverted to the previous edits. Looks like some sort of bot to me that is creating multiple user names. I have had a look at the user list, and there are lots of these usernames. They are all 6 characters, and look to be randomly generated. I would be tempted to block them all, but haven't as there might just be a genuine user in there somewhere, but In all likelihood, they are just spambots--TonyFleet 23:27, 10 June 2007 (CEST)
Hi Ivo; there were more spam attacks overnight, which I have reverted. You will notice that I have gone through the username list and blocked all suspect 6-character usernames out of the first 50 (there were 32 of them!) In doing this I realise that I may have blocked some actual users, but if you get complaints, you can blame me, and they can easily get reverted. As this is the third spam attack in two days, I thought we needed to be proactive. If I have time, I will go through the rest of the list in alphabetical order. Cheers. --TonyFleet 09:21, 11 June 2007 (CEST)
- Thanks, well done. I am currently looking into what anti-spam measures mediawiki provides. So far I haven't found any proper solution. Some even require all users to post a captcha on every edit. That means we annoy real users as well, which we should try to avoid. --Ivo 18:37, 11 June 2007 (CEST)
- Update: I upgraded to mediawiki 1.10, and installed the ConfirmEdit extension. Despite its name, it can also add captcha's to new user registration. I've enabled 2 captcha's in the plugin: when creating an account, and when posting links from an account that does not have a confirmed email address. This should be sufficient for now, and should not annoy any regular users. --Ivo 19:45, 11 June 2007 (CEST)
