Talk:Books
From Simulism
Do you think books and movies such as "Replay" and "Groundhog Day" belong in this list? Maughaum
Haven't seen or read them; are they related to simulism? --Ivo 10:14, 3 February 2007 (CET)
Sort of. They are about characters caught in moment of time that starts over, or replays, every day. The characters try to perfect the moment through trial and error. It seems to imply they are in a simuation though they never mention or even imagine that they are in a sim. Maughaum
Ok, then I guess we could add them. On each book's page I would like to discuss its relation with simulism, so you could add them and talk about how this loop would suggest some kind of simulation. (although it could also be a kind of time warpy thing) --Ivo 09:49, 4 February 2007 (CET)
Ivo, I'm not sure why my last entry are in red or how to change it? Maughaum
They are in red because there is no page yet for these books. If you click a red link, you'll be taken to an edit page where you can write something about the book. (see the other books for examples) --Ivo 00:46, 9 March 2007 (CET)
I'm not convinced about Groundhog Day. It's a wonderful film, but it's not really relevant to Simulism. There is a time loop in which reality is repeated over and over again.
On the other hand, the Original Star Trek episode: The Menagerie is very definitely about Simulated Reality, and arguably so is the 1967 TV Series The Prisoner, which I am sure was one of the inspirations for The Truman Show.
--TonyFleet 09:09, 9 March 2007 (CET)
The thing about Groundhog Day is that Bill Murray's character is stuck in a time loop until he meets certain criteria (he becomes less self-centered and gets the girl). Of course, the film was made before the more recent interest in simulation so the implication was probably supposed to be that God was at the controls, but I think it demonstrate how simulation might/could work. They do the same kind of thing in eXistenZ where the players have to make certain gates to move on or the sim characters keep repeating themselves...
--Maughaum
Groundhog Day has the same premise as 12:01, (where the main character is trying to prevent a catastrophe), Donnie Darko, and the Star Trek: Next Generation episodes (Cause and Effect & Time Squared) where Data remembers the number three to avoid the time-loop, and another episode in Star Trek Voyager (Coda) where Janeway accidentally does the wrong thing to cause a time-loop; there was another in Red Dwarf (Ouroboros)Admittedly GH looks like a simulation, as the characters are repeating themselves, but it can't be, as when Bill Murray eventually does all the right stuff, the world continues after 6am and it becomes the day after Groundhog Day.
see Time Loop shouldve cited that before writing all that stuff!!
btw GH = Wonderful Film - in my top 5.
btw2, believe that Time out of Joint (1959) is a contender for the first 'reality as simulation' novel, but I could be wrong. It has much the same set-up (but not the same premise) as The Truman Show.
--TonyFleet 19:24, 9 March 2007 (CET)
