Talk:Arguments

From Simulism

A counter argument for complexity being a difficulty for a simulation doesn't hold up, at least in regards to the chaotic elements in the natural world. Chaos can actually be modelled quite well, but chaotic structures are inherently irreproducable, which is a non-issue with a system that has one direction of flow (time, though relative, still only moves forward.) There need not be a whole universe to a simulation either. It is likely under assumption of simulated reality that there would have to be limits, and we experience those daily, whether collectively or individually. Can you see all the stars with the sun in the sky? With high power instruments, it is easily predictable if you wrote the physics. Even assuming accuracy in the modeling of devices for observation, we have naturally bound limits.

1. Our past lightcone. Light travels at a determined speed, likewise the farther away that light is the farther back in time it left its source. Easy enough to understand you can't see light from farther back than the beginning of light. That distance is what makes the observable universe.
2. observable universe does not apply either, because:
   • there are limits to the future lightcone of any object
   • the universe cannot be observed from outside, so it is inherently problematic to know the size of the entire universe.
   • look in any direction, that line of sight eventually meets back with itself because spacetime is curved, and what you see, if you could see all that way with out the worry of points a and b, your position at sometime in the past(being the light produced some time ago). It is possible all we see is the Milky Way at different epochs, through different gravitational distortions, so the observable universe can be larger than the actual universe.
   • the Hubble Limit imposes constraints. The fact that the speed of light is constant,and everything is moving out from everything else, means that further objects appear to be receding at a higher velocity. Eventually an object will appear to have a velocity which is the speed of light, and no longer be visible. That can make for a rather small apparent universe, but this is not the end of natural limits in our apparent universe. Take Planck's Constant and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, this essentially eliminates the need to model the subatomic accurately .
3. The assumption on computational capacity inherently lies on assumptions that our host universe carries the same physcical laws and limitations. Light could be faster, matter entangled as to defeat all limits on information density, speed of transmition,etc. Can't shoot someone on the basketball court, it's against the rules; the parking lot is another matter.
4. Assuming limited resources, we do not have to assume that anyone is watching. start with a recipe , make a universe, bake, remove after a few trillion years subjective. Wallah, your output. You don't need any of the the middle information do you? as the functions defining the universe move along you can just overwrite the the input with the output and save alot of space. Do you want to know you got to the number 4 by way of 1+1+1+1? well maybe you do, don't mean I do.